A Rejoinder to George Fahnbulleh’s letter to FPA


By Scott Mandeh

The Perspective
Atlanta, Georgia
December 2, 2014

                  



George Werner (Appointed Minister of Health, but rejected by the Senate)

Mr. George Fahnbulleh writes the FPA Editor to assert that Mr. George Werner, the Health Minister designate, is not qualified to serve as minister. His letter comes few days after the Liberian Senate rejects Mr. Werner based on the criterion that Mr. Werner lacks the qualification to confirm him as Minister of Health.

To me, the issue is not worth the debate anymore as to note the consolation Mr. Fahnbulleh has received that Mr. Werner has been denied by the Liberian Senate. But if “qualification” in Mr. Fahnbulleh’s opinion was the litmus test for performance in public service, one may wonder if Mr. Fahnbulleh’s assertion is not fueled by some inherent bias or double standard he has entertained toward Mr. Werner. While the public may not be fully aware of the details of the terms and conditions that informs the decision to confirm a nominee to public office, historical precedence convinces us that the senate has often been liberal on issues of confirmations.  I believe it has always been the judgment of the senate to use the wisdom of discretion when it comes to confirming presidential nominees because of the need to break the barriers of ethnic, social, religious and political cleavages that once characterized the body politics of Liberia.

Mr. Fahnbulleh should, therefore, not be unmindful to the fact that the archive of political appointees by past and present governments is loaded with names of people with diverse qualifications, some as weightless as mere high school diploma and others with PhDs.

It can then be surmised that Mr. Werner’s rejection by the senate is untimely or at worst pure “bad luck” as we would call it back in Liberia. This is because the senate has confirmed others with either questionable credentials or no experience for the positions to which they were appointed.

For example, let us reflect on the history of Mr.  Robert L. Kilby who was appointed to head the General Auditing Commission of Liberia: Kilby, as we all know presented fraudulent credentials, but was still reconsidered by the senate based on other considerations. Clearly, the Kilby’s nomination created a circus of emotion in our communities. His confirmation claimed the attention of the general public. But where was Mr. Fahnbulleh and what was his position?

 

Let us fast forward to recent appointments in government by President Sirleaf. The President appointed a number of Liberians along with Mr. Werner. Mr. Fahbulleh did not call out any of the appointees’ credentials or work experiences except Mr. Werner. This makes me to deduce that Mr. Fahnbulleh has something under his sleeves toward Mr. Werner.

For the sake of clarity I want to cite Mr.  Gyude Moor as reference:  Mr. Moore was appointed as Minister of Public Works at the same time George Werner was appointed Minister of Health. His job among other responsibilities is to plan, design, execute, test, and supervise public infrastructure development – bridges, roads, buildings, etc.

Typically, one may argue that a Minister of Public Works should be a technician, well versed in the practices and theories of   engineering or related fields. I believe the president defied the tradition of relying solely on specific credential to appoint Mr. Moore due to recent experience at the Ministry of Public Works. Minister Weeks, the former Minister of Public Works was seen as credible based on her credentials. But she probably fell short of expectation not on the basis of qualification but on the basis of the lack of tender will to make a difference.

Sometime we let the so called “requisite qualities” or experience get in the way for   us to see other essential managerial qualities that far outweighs the “requisite qualities”.  In Fahnbulleh’s Republic, I strongly believe that the former minister, Kofi Woods, for example, could not have been the rightful person to head the Ministry of Public Works. But Minister Wood’s tenure at the ministry is considered by most Liberians and President Sirleaf as valuable. As a result of this, I am made to believe that the moral test we face in our political transition is how we treat those in the dawn of public service.

I, therefore, encourage Mr. Fahnbulleh to dig his heels from the sand of sentiment and focus his attention on issues of practical evidence. Mr. Werner has served in government with dedication.
Mr. Werner was at the Civil Service Agency two (2) or more years as head of the Scholarship Program prior to becoming the Director General of the Civil Service of Liberia. He has an advanced degree in Social Work, which is one of the essential components of the health delivery system of Liberia, as it is called the “Ministry of Health and Social Welfare”. Mr. Werner has a direct work experience providing social services for many years in the United States. A further research with Mr. Werner coworker proved that he worked as lead “Clinician Therapist” for AVS - Allegheny Valley School - under a licensed Clinician Therapist supervision.

What Mr. Fahnbulleh needs to understand is the Liberian Health System has experienced one of the worse tragedies due to the Ebola epidemic. Therefore, it calls for transformative leadership that accounts not only for the physical health of the state, but also the social values, research, ethics and best practices that will restore confidence in the system and its people. We believe Mr. Werner stands at a vantage point of providing active direction for the Ministry of Health in meeting all of these considerations.

 

Unfortunately, Mr. Fahnbulleh has not acquired the knowledge base to appreciate the credential of Mr. Werner. As such it is worth the time to digress a little to enlighten Mr. Fahnbulleh what makes Mr. Werner’s qualify for the job. For the record, Mr. Werner’s Qualification enables him to serve as Minister of Health given that he has been trained to effectively understand the issues of rights and justice, assist, support and enable Liberians who have suffered from the negative effects of Ebola and other diseases and inequalities in the health care delivery system. His training also equips him to deal with issues of systematic failure by advocating and advancing policies to correct risks to which the health of the state is currently exposed. Mr. Werner is also poised to act as leader because his training has positioned him to understand the context of the diverse communities and the necessary approaches to locate the needs of the members of those communities in the context of their social and economic lives.

I will caution Mr. Fahnbulleh to be guided by history and examples. That way, he will be careful to render judgment on the merit of profession. Mr. Fahnbulleh should remember that even in the great United States, the Secretary of U.S. Department of Health & Human Services (Sylvia Mathews Burwell) - the equivalent of Liberia Ministry of Health - is not a Medical Doctor. But she brings a wealth of managerial skills to the position. She is described as “A results-driven manager.”  Her Bio can be found here - http://www.hhs.gov/secretary/about/biography/index.html.

I can’t resist asking this question in closing: I understand that Dr. H. Boimah Fahbulleh, Jr. is Mr. George Fahnbulleh’s brother. If that is true, then I believe Mr. Fahnbulleh has a good memory of his brother’s political profile. What direct educational experience did his brother, Dr. Henry Biomah Fahnbulleh, Jr. possessed when he was appointed Minister    of Education in the early 1980s? Technically, we can all say “zero, nada, zip, nothing” He was simply a lecturer at the University and a political activist. Don’t get me wrong.  Dr. Fahnbulleh is an astute and well respected statesman. But at the time of his appointment, he has no requisite experience or credential in the discipline of Education.

I, therefore, call on Mr. Fahnbulleh and others who share similar view to give Mr. Werner the chance to fulfil his calling. It was not naive on the part of the president to repose confidence in this young Liberian. There is no greater satisfaction than to test the worth of a simple, regular citizen, chosen among the young people to make a difference.

Scott Mandeh: smandeh@hotmail.com


Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah
Mr. Scott Mandeh,

The social sciences and the physical sciences are two different worlds!! The Ministry of Education resides in the former while the Ministry of Health is based in the latter! Besides, CONTEXT must be the decissive element when reaching a conclusion.

In other words, your conclusion, that because Dr. H. Boima Fahnbulleh Jr. may not have had direct educational experience (as Minister of Education) when appointed Minister of Education in April 1980, since he was simply a lecturer at the University and a political activist", is wrong!!!Context and circumstances should be considered in reaching conclusions or determinations, my friend!

AT THE INITIAL STAGE OF SUCH A REVOLUTION, THE NATION NEEDED NO OTHER BREED THAN THAT OF A REVOLUTIONARY WHO WAS A SEASONED SOCIAL SCIENTIST WITH AN OCCUPATION IN ACADEMIA! AND DR.FAHNBULLEH WAS JUST THAT BLESSED BREED AND REVOLUTIONARY FOR THE NATION IN GENERAL AND THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION IN PARTICULAR!

Mr. George Werner is SIMPLY NOT THE MINISTERIAL MATERIAL needed for such an insitutution under such circumstances and within such context!PERIOD! AND MR. WERNER KNOWS THIS. AND SO THERE IS NO SURPRISE OF THE LEGISLATURE´S VERDICT that Mr. George Werner is SIMPLY NOT THE MINISTERIAL MATERIAL for the Ministry of Health! !

Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah at 04:04AM, 2014/12/02.
George K. Fahnbulleh
Mr. Mandeh,

I would rather you focus specifically on the subject of my article: Mr. Werner.

I am under no obligation to vet Presidential appointees. That is the job of Mr. Werner's Civil Service Agency. I have a exercised my right and prerogative to document Mr. Werner's credentials, which BEYOND him having acquired a Masters of Social Work, there is no domain experience. None.

You did not comment on Mr. Werner's lack of credentials. Instead you are making the argument "everyone else is/was unqualified."


Your citation of the bio of the current Secretary of HHS is bogus and intellectually dishonest. The Department of HHS is comprised of 11 Statutory Agencies. Each of them headed by a professional with the requisite domain experience. Liberia's Ministry of Health has no such institutional knowledge.

Have you read the bio of Carmen Villar, MSW, the Chief of Staff at CDC? Please take the time to do so.
http://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/villar.htm

Ms. Villar also has the same academic credentials as Mr. Werner, but I doubt their experience even compares. Yet, Ms. Villar is not the head of the CDC, a physician/scientist is.


While you are at it, please take the time to peruse the bio of Liberian MacArthur Genius Fellow Lisa Cooper, MD, MPH

I am sure after reading Dr. Cooper's bio, you will come to the conclusion that Mr. Werner is not the best qualified. There are quite a few Liberian health professionals, both clinical and administrative, with far more experience than Mr. Werner. If Mr. Werner quantifies his knowledge of healthcare as "vast" how should we quantify Dr. Coopers knowledge? Don't answer that! The MacArthur Foundation as far back as 2007, before Mr. Werner even completer graduate school, recognized her as a "Genius."

Here is a snippet:

Lisa Cooper is a nationally and internationally recognized physician and public health researcher whose scholarship on clinical communication is improving medical outcomes for minorities in the United States. A Liberian raised outside of the U.S., she brings a unique perspective to American medical care. While most studies concerning the disparities in health care across race and gender have focused on socioeconomic causes, Cooper has identified the crucial role race, ethnicity, and gender play in the physician-patient relationship. In a landmark 1999 Journal of the American Medical Association paper, she found that minority patients perceived their physicians’ decision-making style as significantly less participatory than non-minorities. She also established a direct link between the propensity of physicians to involve patients in treatment decisions and the success of health care interventions. In response to these findings, Cooper has developed culturally tailored education programs designed to improve the diagnosis and treatment of hypertension and depression among African-Americans. Preliminary results indicate that when patients and physicians are trained in patient-centered communication skills, patients are more likely to keep scheduled appointments, take medications as prescribed, and adhere to diet and exercise regimens. Given the growing population in the U.S. of ethnically diverse consumers, Cooper’s analytical and clinical skills are key to enhancing the quality and delivery of medical care.

Lisa Cooper received a B.A. (1984) from Emory University, an M.D. (1988) from the University of North Carolina School of Medicine, and an M.P.H. (1993) from the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health. She is currently a professor in the Division of General Internal Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. She also holds a joint appointment in the Departments of Epidemiology and Health Policy and Management at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health.

- See more at: http://www.macfound.org/fellows/818/#sthash.xdrgqkhW.dpuf
George K. Fahnbulleh at 07:43AM, 2014/12/02.
Scott Mandeh
Mr. Fahnbulleh,
We can continue this debate circularly if you want, but I don’t have the time as I’m busy. I’m quite sure you are also as we all have to work to make a living.
However, I will respond to few of your points you raised in your comment. My citation of the current Secretary of HHS is not bogus. It clearly states on HHS site that she is the head – see excerpt from HHS website” Sylvia Mathews Burwell was sworn in as the 22nd Secretary of Health & Human Services (HHS) on June 9, 2014.”
The sentence above is self-explanatory and need no further commentary. The lady is the head of HHS.
You are under no obligation to scrutinize Presidential appointees, but once you decided to scrutinize one then you must do it for the rest. Otherwise, it seems as though you have personal issue with Mr. Werner.
Lastly, you and I agree on the fact that there are other qualified Liberians out there that can do far more better job than some of those working in the GOL, including Mr. Werner. The question is: are they prepare to go home and serve there? You and I know that our country is a very challenging environment. The culture and work ethic are quite different than what we are used to in the states.
You relocated home after the President was elected. Why did you come back to the states? Things didn’t work out the way you thought. Did they?


Scott Mandeh at 09:18AM, 2014/12/02.
Rolo Tumasi
Brother Fahnbulleh,

I hear you. Great, concise argument. See though, now that the US is in Liberia (and I fully support and appreciate America's presence to help combat Ebola), the Administration feels no need or sense of urgency to do anything productive but to carry on as business as usual or worse. They have outsourced their obligations to the US so that they can continue playing 'government'. A complete farce.

Why in the world would anyone appoint someone who is not an accomplished doctor, etc. in that position especially given the Ebola crisis? This demonstrates the extent to which they are deluded and have lost all touch with reality.

They probably believe that the head of the US CDC is by extension in charge of Liberia's health care.

Bunch of useless good for nothings. Thank you Brother F.

All the best,
Brother Tumasi
Rolo Tumasi at 09:19AM, 2014/12/02.
George K. Fahnbulleh
Mr. Mandeh,

Setting up the Matthews-Burwell strawman fallacy to argue against, is not my style of debate.

I never argued that Mr. Werner is not a healthcare practitioner. I argued that he does not have the requisite experience and domain knowledge to lead the building of the Liberian healthcare delivery systems, most especially after Liberia has experienced the worst outbreak of Ebola in the history of the world.

Please do not personalize the debate; I do not know Mr. Werner. The information on Mr. Werner was gleaned from his LinkedIn page.

With regards to scrutinizing the other appointees, perhaps Mr. Werner, as head of the CSA, can tell us what process was used to select Gudye Moore to be Minister of Public Works. Mr. Moore only 4 years ago, graduated from Georgetown University, with a Master's if Foreign Service. But then why am I not surprised?
George K. Fahnbulleh at 10:45AM, 2014/12/02.
George K. Fahnbulleh
Correction:
"I never argued that Mr. Werner is not a healthcare practitioner" should be
"I never argued that a physician should be Minister of Health"
George K. Fahnbulleh at 10:56AM, 2014/12/02.
Scott Mandeh
Kandajaba,

Firstly, don’t come across as though you want to fist fight. This is an intellectual discussion with opposing views – Mr. George Fahnbulleh understands that.

Since you want to lecture me about physical and social sciences, let me correct you. The Ministry of Health does not fall under Physical Sciences. It falls under two branches of science: Ministry of Health – Life Sciences – and Social Welfare (Social Sciences). There are other disciplines to social sciences in addition to Economics or Politics. The discipline, Social Work is part of the social sciences. See the definition of the sciences below from Wikipedia.

“Social science is a major branch of science, and a major category of academic disciplines, concerned with society and the relationships among individuals within a society. It in turn has many branches, each of which is considered a "social science". The main social sciences include anthropology, economics, political science, psychology and …”
“The life sciences comprise the fields of science that involve the scientific study of living organisms – such as microorganisms, plants, animals, and human beings – as well as related considerations like bioethics”
“Physical science – branch of natural science that studies non-living systems, in contrast to the biological sciences. It in turn has many branches, each referred to as a "physical science", together called the "physical sciences".

You write: AT THE INITIAL STAGE OF SUCH A REVOLUTION, THE NATION NEEDED NO OTHER BREED THAN THAT OF A REVOLUTIONARY WHO WAS A SEASONED SOCIAL SCIENTIST WITH AN OCCUPATION IN ACADEMIA! AND DR.FAHNBULLEH WAS JUST THAT BLESSED BREED AND REVOLUTIONARY FOR THE NATION IN GENERAL AND THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION IN PARTICULAR!

This kind of spaghetti logic is one of the reasons why Liberia education system is a “mess”. Our students are failing miserably (25k sat for UL entrance exam and 25k failed in the last entrance before this one). During the revolution, it was okay for trained surgeon to perform surgery at JFK to safe life; or during the revolution, it was okay for a trained accountant to perform audit for proper accounting. But it was not okay for a trained and experienced educator with relevant degree to be the head of the Ministry of Education. Interesting!!

There is a reason why employer looks for relevant degree and experience. It looks for someone who is trained in the area and has a track record of accomplishing what needs to be done. Without that, you will be hiring someone who will learn on the job through “try and error” at the expense of other people’s kids.

Scott Mandeh at 10:59AM, 2014/12/02.
Rolo Tumasi
Mr. Mandeh,

Comparing the circumstances surrounding the appointment of the head of the US HHS to that of the Liberian Minister of Health in a false analogy. The two countries are light years apart.

The trail blazing first independent country of Africa has been for a while and is one of the most foreign aid dependent nations in Africa. What a complete shame, this even after about 10 years of peace.

Look at what President Kagame of Rwanda did for his country following an even more devastating civil war and real a genocide. Rwanda is an actual success in Africa. An economic and military power house. We don't see President Kagame going over here begging this country, that country.

If only Liberia's leaders were half of what Kagame is to the development of his nation. Also, President Kagame has no degree for Harvard and never worked in the World Bank. Just a real patriot for Rwanda.

Sorry to get a little off base.

All the best, Brother M.,
Brother RT
Rolo Tumasi at 11:23AM, 2014/12/02.
Efessayf
Manager:

One who uses (utilizes) all available resources to achieve organizational goals.

Efessayf at 02:30PM, 2014/12/02.
George K. Fahnbulleh
Mr. Mandeh,

This is not a debate about what comprises social vs physical science. Can a person with an MSW be Minister of Health? Absolutely; IF that MSW is coupled with significant years of expertise and domain knowledge.

It is a very simple debate about whether or not, a person with:
1) 7 years as an unlicensed group home aide
2) 5 years with a MSW degree (no professional experience)
3) 14 months as the Director General of CSA

Has the requisite domain knowledge, experience to be Minister of Health in a country whose health system has been decimated by disease.

This is the case I made. You have yet to disprove or dispel any of the information in my original piece.

All of the other arguments are non-tangential.

We need to recruit the BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST; and that is the task of Mr. Werner's CSA. Now even that is called into question, considering his appointment and that of Gudye Moore (4 years removed from a Master's of Science in Foreign Affairs, with no management experience).

We cannot build Liberia on the Friends & Family plan.
George K. Fahnbulleh at 02:55PM, 2014/12/02.
Isaac Vah Tukpah, Jr.
Mr. Mandeh,

Let's set the table straight. Mr. Mandeh is UNQUALIFIED in every respect to be the Minister of Health & Social Welfare (MinHSW). I believe you admit that when you say:
"It can then be surmised that Mr. Werner’s rejection by the senate is untimely or at worst pure “bad luck” as we would call it back in Liberia. This is because the senate has confirmed others with either questionable credentials or no experience for the positions to which they were appointed."

"Let us fast forward to recent appointments in government by President Sirleaf. The President appointed a number of Liberians along with Mr. Werner. Mr. Fahbulleh did not call out any of the appointees’ credentials or work experiences except Mr. Werner. This makes me to deduce that Mr. Fahnbulleh has something under his sleeves toward Mr. Werner."

"In Fahnbulleh’s Republic, I strongly believe that the former minister, Kofi Woods, for example, could not have been the rightful person to head the Ministry of Public Works. But Minister Wood’s tenure at the ministry is considered by most Liberians and President Sirleaf as valuable. As a result of this, I am made to believe that the moral test we face in our political transition is how we treat those in the dawn of public service."

Your attempt to encourage George Fahnbulleh to not dissect Mr. Werner's credentials or qualifications is the height of cronyism and is very weak. You have done nothing to show that Mr. Werner's accomplishments, academics, or experience qualifies him for the MinHSW position.

All you have done is raise more questions about Mr. Werner's credentials. Please tell us when did Werner work as lead “Clinician Therapist” for AVS - Allegheny Valley School - under a "licensed Clinician Therapist supervision" and for how long. On Mr. Werner's linked in profile, (seen here: www.fahnbulleh.net/docs/georgewerner.jpg) he never mentions the AVS or being a “Clinician Therapist.” Who is this mysterious "coworker" who proved that he worked somewhere that Mr. Werner doesn't even seem to remember? How can Mr. Werner claim to be a "therapist" or you claim he is a "clinician therapist" and he has acquired no license in the State of Pennsylvania?

All you have done is try to personalize Mr. Fahnbulleh's argument that Mr. Werner is not qualified to be MinHSW. You have tried to make it seem as if he is being picked on, others are being given a free ride, and Mr. Fahnbulleh never commented on any of the President's other misaligned appointments. That diversion falls flat. The matter of fact is Mr. Werner is not qualified to be the MinHSW that reforms and revitalizes the broken healthcare system. Again you offer up a fallacy to support your non-argument. You falsely claim "...Minister Wood’s tenure at the ministry is considered by most Liberians and President Sirleaf as valuable." Valuable in what sense? In the sense of poor quality roads and nearly $100,000,000 of unbudgeted commitment that his direct reports (Yekeson & Smith) have burdened the GoL with?

No amount of embellishing will qualify Mr. Werner for this position. You need to stop digging your heels in the quicksand of sentiment and cronyism and try focusing your attention on the substantive and factual issues. What is complex about running a scholarship program that Robtel Payley had already set up? According to Mr. Werner, his degree is in "Social Policy" not "Social Work." Yes, I agree that "Mr. Werner has a direct work experience providing social services for many years" in a group home, "6 years 10 months" actually. This limited experience does not qualify Mr. Werner to be the health minister for our crumbled healthcare system.

Suggestion:
1. Since George has made the effort to unmask one unqualified appointment, why don't you make the effort to unmask Gyude Moore who has a bachelor's degree in political science, a master's in Foreign Service, and few years of employment in government, all at the Executive Mansion PDU, monitoring and coordinating projects. That definitely does not qualify him to be the Minister of Public Works.

2. As an alternative, you can unmask Etmonia Tarpeh who failed miserably at the Ministry of Youth & Sports and the Ministry of Education




Isaac Vah Tukpah, Jr. at 07:38PM, 2014/12/02.
koquay
Mr. Mandeh cannot be serious. This Mr. Werner is wholly unqualified to be the minister of health. Does Mr. Mandeh understand what a "group home" is? A group home could be a facility that houses a few recovering alcoholics, for instance. The number of occupants could be as insignificant as ten people. A group home could bea a facility that houses troubled kids. Again the number could be as low as 10 people. While I do not know the specific nature of Mr. Werner's group home, there are many such facilities that are headed by people without even a bachelors degree because it is not a requirement. Now, is an aide from such an establishment (not even a supervisor, much less a director) qualified to head the entire Ministry of Health of Liberia?

This appointment shows that this president is not up to the jobs. I say this as a two-time supporter of this president. With the lives of Liberians being threatened and the need for competent leadership in such a key post, how can this president put cronyism over the health of the country?

And Mr. Mandeh makes the perverse argument that because others have been confirmed without the necessary scrutiny, so Mr. Werner qualification should not be rigorously scrutinized. This is a rather absurd argument. If anything, Liberia needs more robust examination of the qualifications of presidential appointees, not less.
koquay at 09:06PM, 2014/12/02.
Scott Mandeh
Mr. Tukpah,

“Let's set the table straight. Mr. Mandeh is UNQUALIFIED in every respect to be.” I was not appointed to be Minister. Don’t be hasty in your attack. We are just sharing opposing views.

You are missing the central point I tried to convey in my piece. Mr. Fahnbulleh argued that Mr. Werner is not qualified because he doesn’t have much administrative experience and moreover he’s not licensed.
I argued that Mr. Fahnbulleh argument regarding Mr. Werner’s qualification was not the norm and cannot be backed by historical facts. Most nominees in this government or past ones are either semi qualified or not qualified at all. So why call out Mr. Werner when this has been the trend?

I asked Mr. Fahnbulleh what relevance qualification his brother, Dr. H. Biomah Fahnbulleh, Jr. possessed in education at the time of his appointment as Education Minister in the 1980s. He didn’t answer this question. That’s because the astute Doctor didn’t have but went on to become the Minister. One doesn’t have to possess all the qualification in order to be hired. It’s left with the appointing power, the president. This is why election matters. Maybe, if your CDC wins, we can start a new chapter of hiring the brightest minds our country can offer.

How many of us didn’t scream about Robert Kilby being a fraudster and was not qualified? Yet, he was confirmed and became Liberia AG. The current FDA Managing Director, Harrison S. Karnwea Sr, and former Internal Affairs Minister, Blamo Nelson are both mere high school graduate. But yet, both men served/serving in senior positions.

The way I consider GOL appointments in Liberia is it’s more about preferment as oppose to the qualification. Sometime, it can be both.
“Your attempt to encourage George Fahnbulleh to not dissect Mr. Werner's credentials or qualifications is the height of cronyism..” You don’t know me. How can you conclude that I’m someone’s crony? I met you once in Fred Wion’s basement. I know your dislike about this Government but channel your energy through objectivity. Just because I defend Mr. Werner doesn’t mean he is my crony. We’ll not be having this discussion if Mr. Fahnbulleh had critiqued the qualifications of all the appointees. But to point out Mr. Werner alone was a disservice to his readership and bias at most.

For your information, one does not have to be licensed to work as a clinician therapist. Such a person can work under a licensed therapist. I’m not in this profession, but there are couples of people (for example ,Jonathan Williams – dahremarc@comcast.net) who worked with Mr. Werner in the Philadelphia area that testified that he did work as lead “Clinician Therapist”

Don’t be deceived. People will put on LinkedIn what they want you to know about their professional background - Sometime, they will provide all the information or partial as most people on there are employed. For example, Minister Konneh, Minister of Finance LinkedIn page only has his educational background. Does this mean Amara has no work experience in and outside of government. No! I know for fact that Amara went to Drexel University for his undergraduate degree but it’s not on there. He only provided what he wants you the public to know on his LinkedIn page. I also saw you on LinkedIn. You only provided the current area of work, where you have been employed for the past seven (7) years. Does this mean you only have seven (7) years of work experience? I doubt that for man of your age should have more than seven (7) years of work experience. You provided what you wanted the public to see.

So the point is just because Mr. Werner didn’t provide AVS on his LinkedIn page doesn’t mean he didn’t work there. There is no need to lie just to make a point.
Scott Mandeh at 09:54PM, 2014/12/02.
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah
Mandeh,

Like I enumerated earlier, it is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to equate this appointment under bombardment with that of such as Boima Fahnbulleh´S (in 1980) when this appointment (OF A MEDIOCRE IN THE AREA), under obvious bombardment, is made by a President, who is known to appoint people who are clearly not qualified as are the cases with George Werner, Augustine Ngafuahn, AND THE NUMEROUS OTHERS!

Our mention about the differentiation of the two sciences was simply to have you realize that it is an error on your part to disregard or down-play the sine qua non of CONTEXTUALIZATION and or making inappropriate blanket generalizations. That is, equating the appointment of a revolutionary and academic (during a revolution)as Minister of Education to that of the appointment of one (George Werner) who (at least considering the climate and his credentials) could be referred to as a mediocre as the Minister of Health of a country in such critical and crucial times!

Evident of the fact that Boima Fahnbulleh´s appointment as Minster of Education was highly needed at the time was later proven when he was transferred at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as the Minister. Academics or highly qualified people within academia are naturally known to have the capacity and acumen to serve excellently upon notice within their occupational province or provinces as was the case with Boima Fahnbulleh! For example: Zbignew Brezenski, Henry Kissenger, Condolizza Rice, etc. etc. With a graduate degree in Politics and a PhD in International Politics and Political Philosophy and then active within academia at the time, Boima Fahnbulleh needed no other capabilities.

Been blunt or calling spade a spade is in no way a fist fight. Despite other minor social welfare issues which may be attached to the roles of The Ministry of Health, this ministry is predominantly about the administration or administering of health medication - a physical science.

As for your rants on the divisions of the social sciences, we shall not waste our time on such after the very individual has displayed his or her lack of knowledge regarding the essentials of the social sciences by committing the intellectual crime of omitting the dictates of comparison and contextualization!
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah at 04:48AM, 2014/12/03.
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoejallah
Scott,

In an intellectual dicourse, any omission of the sine qua non of intellectualism - accurate comparison or sound contexualization is an error which must be corrected. And this is exactly what we have done. Waste not yours or mine time on such elementary tenets of the social sciences. Boima Fahnbulleh´s appointment should in no way be equated with these bogus appointments of this administration notorious for appointing mediocres and othe inexperienced and unqualified individuals prone to be rejected by lawmakers and frowned on by the people.
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoejallah at 05:28AM, 2014/12/03.
Scott Mandeh
Zoedjallah,

Sorry buddy but I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Your analysis and conclusion don’t make sense to me. Maybe because I’m not a REVOLUTIONIST!

Although you read, you didn’t understand my central argument to Mr. Fahnbulleh’s article. See my comment to Mr. TUKPAH– see excerpt below for your convenience.

“Mr. Fahnbulleh argued that Mr. Werner is not qualified because he doesn’t have much administrative experience and moreover he’s not licensed.

I argued that Mr. Fahnbulleh argument regarding Mr. Werner’s qualification was not the norm and cannot be backed by historical facts. Most (not all) nominees in this government or past ones are either semi qualified or not qualified at all. So why call out Mr. Werner when this has been the trend?”

This debate for me is not about the qualification per say. It’s about singling out Mr. Werner alone when so many others before him have questionable qualifications. What I deduce from you and Mr. Fahnbulleh is: it’s okay to place an unqualified individual as long he/she is a friend, family members, or a role models in the case of Dr. Fahnbulleh, the “Revolutionist”. I’m saying if it’s not okay for others then it shouldn’t be okay for anyone regardless of relationship. And vice versa!

You seem to behave like a typical UL student who fears to admit wrong. You deviated from the discussion to categorizing the Health Ministry as part of Physical Sciences to make you appear as though you knew what you were speaking of. When I proved that your categorization was wrong by providing definition of the sciences from Wikipedia, you came back and said the ministry is about “administering of health medication.” What would someone let alone a government create a ministry just to administer health medication? You are wrong again, my friend. Even Mr. Fahnbulleh would disagree with you on this point; otherwise, he will not be recommending Dr. Lisa Cooper as the next Health Minister because we don’t need such a sophisticated lady just to administer health medication.

If this is your understanding of what the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare supposed to do then you are incorrect. You need to do your research – go to the ministry to find out what services it supposed to provide to the Liberian public. Better still, follow this link to learn about the duties of the Health Minister - http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/content_display.php?submenu_id=73&sub=submenu. Do you see a task(s) regarding the administering of medication? Ummmmm, ummmm, ummmm; yet, I thought so. Before you begin to speak your revolutionary jargon, do your research if you want anyone outside the walls of the University of Liberia to take you serious.

You and others can continue this discussion if you prefer but expect no more response from me.

Scott Mandeh at 10:48AM, 2014/12/03.
koquay
The disqualification of Werner is not final. Usually, this is the point where the "cold water" is offered by the president. Then, presto!, the Senate finds him qualified. They are not called "the cold water legislature" for nothing.
koquay at 11:02AM, 2014/12/03.
Scott Mandeh

Correction: In my second to the last paragraph where I said “yet, I thought so.” I meant yep, I thought so.
Scott Mandeh wrote:
Zoedjallah,

Sorry buddy but I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Your analysis and conclusion don’t make sense to me. Maybe because I’m not a REVOLUTIONIST!

Although you read, you didn’t understand my central argument to Mr. Fahnbulleh’s article. See my comment to Mr. TUKPAH– see excerpt below for your convenience.

“Mr. Fahnbulleh argued that Mr. Werner is not qualified because he doesn’t have much administrative experience and moreover he’s not licensed.

I argued that Mr. Fahnbulleh argument regarding Mr. Werner’s qualification was not the norm and cannot be backed by historical facts. Most (not all) nominees in this government or past ones are either semi qualified or not qualified at all. So why call out Mr. Werner when this has been the trend?”

This debate for me is not about the qualification per say. It’s about singling out Mr. Werner alone when so many others before him have questionable qualifications. What I deduce from you and Mr. Fahnbulleh is: it’s okay to place an unqualified individual as long he/she is a friend, family members, or a role models in the case of Dr. Fahnbulleh, the “Revolutionist”. I’m saying if it’s not okay for others then it shouldn’t be okay for anyone regardless of relationship. And vice versa!

You seem to behave like a typical UL student who fears to admit wrong. You deviated from the discussion to categorizing the Health Ministry as part of Physical Sciences to make you appear as though you knew what you were speaking of. When I proved that your categorization was wrong by providing definition of the sciences from Wikipedia, you came back and said the ministry is about “administering of health medication.” What would someone let alone a government create a ministry just to administer health medication? You are wrong again, my friend. Even Mr. Fahnbulleh would disagree with you on this point; otherwise, he will not be recommending Dr. Lisa Cooper as the next Health Minister because we don’t need such a sophisticated lady just to administer health medication.

If this is your understanding of what the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare supposed to do then you are incorrect. You need to do your research – go to the ministry to find out what services it supposed to provide to the Liberian public. Better still, follow this link to learn about the duties of the Health Minister - http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/content_display.php?submenu_id=73&sub=submenu. Do you see a task(s) regarding the administering of medication? Ummmmm, ummmm, ummmm; yep, I thought so. Before you begin to speak your revolutionary jargon, do your research if you want anyone outside the walls of the University of Liberia to take you serious.

You and others can continue this discussion if you prefer but expect no more response from me.



Scott Mandeh at 11:29AM, 2014/12/03.
George K. Fahnbulleh
I thought I had seen it all

Most (not all) nominees in this government or past ones are either semi qualified or not qualified at all. So why call out Mr. Werner when this has been the trend?


At least you accept that Mr. Werner is not qualified.

So the logic here is most nominees are unqualified, why should it bother us that Mr. Werner is unqualified.

This is the most pathetic of arguments, and does not deserve a response.
George K. Fahnbulleh at 03:27PM, 2014/12/03.
Theodore Hodge

Interesting. Both the Defense and the Prosecution rest in the Court of Public Opinion. The case goes to the jury for the verdict.

To be announced soon.
Theodore Hodge at 09:51PM, 2014/12/03.
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah
Mr. Mandeh,

Your assertion " Firstly, don’t come across as though you want to fist fight" causes one to wonder what you would have said when the Frankfurt school bluntly REJECTED the Vienna school´s philosophy that "humans beings were mere facts or objectes, whose actions and behavior could be calculated"as we have DEBUNKED your "size fits all" position which fails to take into account the phenomena of CONTEXT, CLIMATE, AND CIRCUMSTANCES!

Or, better still, you may have termed it a brutal war when social scientists demystified and challenged the legitimacy of Priest and patron, accrediting new professions to REPLACE them. In short you may have been one of those condemning Galileo!

Scottie, instead of stooping to such elementary definitions of the sciences you should have simply been brief or succinct by stating how the three sciences in general: the natural sciences are concerned with nature, the humanistic sciences with human beings and the social sciences with society.

Our mention of the physical is simply to remind you that your "SIZE FITS ALL" philosophy or logic IS misplaced, most especially during such a debate where context, climate, or circumstances are in toto the sine qua non!

Compare the intelligence, performance, and international respectability of Boima Fahnbulleh during his tenure at the Ministries of Education and Foreign Affairs at the age of between 31 to 33 with that of Augustine Ngafuan from the Minisrries of Finance to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; and then you may be able to realize why this SIZE FITS ALL logic is WRONG!
Kandajaba Zoebohn Zoedjallah at 03:20AM, 2014/12/04.
Amos Frank
Scott!

One wonders what you would have termed it when the Frankfurt school bluntly REJECTED the philosophy of the Vienna school that human beings were mere facts or objectes which could be calculated!

Or better still what desperate attitude you may have taken against Galileo when he DEBUNKED the Papacy´s dogma about the earth and the sun! Scottie, SIZE FITS ALL" philosophy is simply wrong. Period! For CONTEXT, CCLIMATE, AND CIRCUMSTANCES must be the sine qua non to reaching whatever conclusion.

Instead of such elementary notion about the sciences you should have at least dealt with how the three sciences...the natural sciences are concerned with nature, the humanistic sciences with human beings and the social sciences with society. Again. SIZE FITS ALL philosophy or logic is DEAD WRONG.
Amos Frank at 03:54AM, 2014/12/04.
Kehleboe Gongloe
George Fahnbulleh,

I took time to read your argument this morning and the different reactions it generated. I found some comments interesting and others unfortunate. Here, I would like to state my position on the issue because I believe George Werner still has the opportunity to be renominated.

I am convinced that George Werner is qualified and he is the right person to become the Minister of Health & Social Welfare at this time. I have had the opportunity of speaking with two employees of CSA who are currently visiting the USA about Mr. Werner leadership style and commitment to promoting integrity in public service. I was pleased with the responses I got. I was told that he is "humble and down to earth". Most importantly, I was told that he started to "fight corruption" at CSA. Finally, his academic credentials from University of Pennsylvania School of Social Works are sufficient in itself to qualify him as Minister of Health & Social Welfare.

Mr. Fahnbulleh, I have come to this conclusion because George Werner has the qualities Liberia needs now. What we need now in managers of public service is INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY AND INTEGRITY!!!! Liberia has many academically qualified and smooth talkers but few academically qualified people with INTEGRITY. We should embrace any Liberian immediately if we find them to have integrity. The second reason is his approach to issues involving low level employees. I am told that people are not afraid to talk with him because he is "down to earth". We have too many arrogant and intolerant managers in our public service and we need to celebrate if we find one who is "down to earth".

On the overall, I am proud of your robust advocacy for Liberia. Like you, we all want the best for Liberia. If I could in the pending elections, my choice would been your sister Miatta because I believe she would not be a rubber stamp senator like the others.
Kehleboe Gongloe at 11:31PM, 2014/12/04.
Kehleboe Gongloe
George Fahnbulleh,

I took time to read your argument this morning and the different reactions it generated. I found some comments interesting and others unfortunate. Here, I would like to state my position on the issue because I believe George Werner still has the opportunity to be renominated.

I am convinced that George Werner is qualified and he is the right person to become the Minister of Health & Social Welfare at this time. I have had the opportunity of speaking with two employees of CSA who are currently visiting the USA about Mr. Werner leadership style and commitment to promoting integrity in public service. I was pleased with the responses I got. I was told that he is "humble and down to earth". Most importantly, I was told that he started to "fight corruption" at CSA. Finally, his academic credentials from University of Pennsylvania School of Social Works are sufficient in itself to qualify him as Minister of Health & Social Welfare.

Mr. Fahnbulleh, I have come to this conclusion because George Werner has the qualities Liberia needs now. What we need now in managers of public service is INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY AND INTEGRITY!!!! Liberia has many academically qualified and smooth talkers but few academically qualified people with INTEGRITY. We should embrace any Liberian immediately if we find them to have integrity. The second reason is his approach to issues involving low level employees. I am told that people are not afraid to talk with him because he is "down to earth". We have too many arrogant and intolerant managers in our public service and we need to celebrate if we find one who is "down to earth".

On the overall, I am proud of your robust advocacy for Liberia. Like you, we all want the best for Liberia. If I could in the pending elections, my choice would been your sister Miatta because I believe she would not be a rubber stamp senator like the others.
Kehleboe Gongloe at 11:31PM, 2014/12/04.
Kehleboe Gongloe
George Fahnbulleh,

I took time to read your argument this morning and the different reactions it generated. I found some comments interesting and others unfortunate. Here, I would like to state my position on the issue because I believe George Werner still has the opportunity to be renominated.

I am convinced that George Werner is qualified and he is the right person to become the Minister of Health & Social Welfare at this time. I have had the opportunity of speaking with two employees of CSA who are currently visiting the USA about Mr. Werner leadership style and commitment to promoting integrity in public service. I was pleased with the responses I got. I was told that he is "humble and down to earth". Most importantly, I was told that he started to "fight corruption" at CSA. Finally, his academic credentials from University of Pennsylvania School of Social Works are sufficient in itself to qualify him as Minister of Health & Social Welfare.

Mr. Fahnbulleh, I have come to this conclusion because George Werner has the qualities Liberia needs now. What we need now in managers of public service is INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY AND INTEGRITY!!!! Liberia has many academically qualified and smooth talkers but few academically qualified people with INTEGRITY. We should embrace any Liberian immediately if we find them to have integrity. The second reason is his approach to issues involving low level employees. I am told that people are not afraid to talk with him because he is "down to earth". We have too many arrogant and intolerant managers in our public service and we need to celebrate if we find one who is "down to earth".

On the overall, I am proud of your robust advocacy for Liberia. Like you, we all want the best for Liberia. If I could in the pending elections, my choice would been your sister Miatta because I believe she would not be a rubber stamp senator like the others.
Kehleboe Gongloe at 11:31PM, 2014/12/04.

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